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Nem is miattad allt meg az agyam, hanem az "informatikus managerek" miatt.
Igen. Hihetetlenul nehez tisztesseges rendszergazdat talalni, versenyeznek ertuk a munkaltatok. Raadasul a gazdasagi valsagnak van egy furcsa mellekhatasa, amit meg nem sikerult megertenem. Rengeteg, nagyon zsiros kontrakt pozicio van a piacon.
Az egyik kollegamat egy evvel ezelott vettuk at a helpdesk-tol. Lezavart azota nehany Windows/Citrix/VMWare vizsgat, majd feldobta az oneletrajzat nehany mukakereso helyre. 3 heten belul 2 munkaajanlata volt, evi 80k-ert. Gyakorlatilag 0 tapasztalattal. Ha mindehez tapasztalat is parosul, akkor a full-time employmenten kivul megnyilnak zsiros kontrakt poziciok. Az egyik ex-kollegamat probaltam idehozni a helyere, de o sajna valoszinuleg egy kontraktot fog valasztani.
Udvozlet minden kedves forumozonak! En uj vagyok itt, bar mar tobb eve olvasom a CH-t, es sokat tanultam belole. 6 honapja vagyok a csaladommal Kanadaban, mar beilleszkedtunk, munkat, iskolat talaltunk. De egyben nem tudunk eligazodni es akarhova fordultunk, mindenki mast es mast valaszolt ra. A kerdesem az lenne: ha valaki angol tanar szeretne lenni itt, - az egyetemen kivul, mivel az most meg nem engedhetjuk meg magunknak - milyen foiskolat kell elvegeznie? Mo-n mar vegzett az egyetemen 1 evet, angol tanarnak tanult, de itt nem talaljuk, hogy milyen iskola az, ami termeszetesen diplomat ad, es aminek az elvegzesevel kozepiskolai esl tanar, vagy felnott oktatasban esl tanar lehet. Tud valaki ilyen informacioval szolgalni? Nagyon megkoszonnem elore is, ha valaki otletekkel, vagy konkretumokkal tudna szolgalni.
nera,
http://www.tesl.ca/
http://www.tesl.ca/
Nalunk ugyanez a helyzet.
Ido + cegpenz /trening/
, es ha turelmes az illeto, akkor ingyen lepked felfele a letran.
Leszalltam kamionrol, es az IBM-nek dolgozom IT expertkent.
Nera,
Ez egy kicsit bonyolultabb mint gondolod.
Ad 1: Itt Ontarioban allami altalanos ill. kozepiskolaban teljesidos allando tanarkent csak itteni diplomaval tanithatsz, azt pedig csak itteni egyetemtol kapsz. A tanarkepzes itteni rendszere szerint AKAR kozep AKAR altalanos iskolaban akarsz tanitani, ugyanazzal kell hogy rendelkezzel: vagy egy ITTENI 4 eves H.B.A.-vel (vagy hasonlo 4 eves diplomaval) es ennek tetejebe egy 1-2 eves B.Ed.-el, vagy egy 4-5 eves osszevont diplomaval (a U of T peldaul az elobbi szerint kepez, a York U pedig az utobbi szerint).
Ad 2: Reszidos/ideiglenes/kisegito tanarkent diploma nelkul is felvehet egy altalanos vagy kozepiskola, es alkalmankent meg is teszik, de annak hosszutavon nincs jovoje. Magan- ill. felekezeti iskolak is felvesznek neha itteni diploma nelkul, de azok (nagyaltalanossagban) joval rosszabbul is fizetnek, es nem ugyanazok a juttatasok jarnak neked mint egy 'allami' tanarnak. Ha megis ezt az utat valasztod, ehhez egyenkent kell megkeresned az iskolakat es beadnod a jelentkezesed.
Ad 3: Ha az otthoni diplomad itteni egyetemi frissiteset valasztod mint utat, a jelentkezes idejen (amennyiben kered) elbiraljak Mo-i vegzettseged, es annak alapjan szabjak meg hogy meg hany evet, hany es milyen kurzusokat ill. diplomat kell megszerezned hogy elerjed a kanadai oktatasi kovetelmenyeket. Ez a multban Mo-i tanari diploma eseten altalaban 1.5 evtol 4 evig terjedt. Ha a diplomad foiskolai, ez termeszetesen tobb itteni tanulast kovetel, attol fuggoen hogy mennyit ismernek el belole (ha egyaltalan barmennyit is).
Ad 4: Ha csak angolt mint masodik nyelvet (ESL) akarsz tanitani, akkor ehhez egy TESL certificate is eleg. Minden humanjellegu kollegium (pld. George Brown, Seneca, stb.) ajanl TESL certificate programot, ami altalaban kabe 16-20 feleves tantargybol all, es 2-3 ev alatt el lehet vegezni estin. Ahhoz azonban hogy bejuss, meg kell felelned a kovetelmenyeiknek, s ezekbe tobbnyire a kollegium sajat nyelvvizsgajanak a letetele is beletartozik.
TESL certificate vegzettseggel azonban szinte kizarolag csak reszidos (altalaban esti tagozaton), szerzodeses tanari allast kaphatsz csak egy foiskolan vagy annal kisebbrangu felnottoktatasi intezmenyben, amit 4 havonta ujra megujitanak (ha szerencsed van), es ami effektive maximum havi brutto CAD$400-at jelent kurzusonkent. Mi tobb, a legjobb esetben is orulhetsz ha kapsz 1 kurzust (azaz az a havi $400 lesz az osszjovedelmed), mert TESL tanarokbol Ontario tavat lehet rekeszteni! Itt ugyanis minden diak aki szerzett egy B.A.-t tortenelembol, angolbol, vagy hasonlo 'keresett' temakbol, es fogalma sincs hogy mihez kezdjen az eletevel, gyorsan elrohan es szerez egy TESL Certificate-et mert az nem nehez. Marpedig ha egy itteni intezmenynek egy angol-anyanyelvu, itteni diplomaval rendelkezo TESL tanar versus egy kulfoldi 'rejtelyes' vegzettsegu, nem-angol-anyanyelvu tanar kozott kell valasztania - ugye nem kell elmagyarazni, hogy melyiket fogja elonyben reszesiteni...?
TESL-el persze kulfoldon (kulonosen Korea, Japan, es Kina) is lehet tanitani, de azok meg eleve ugy hirdetik az allasokat hogy 'csak angol anyanyelvu tanar jelentkezzen' - es a fizetes amit ajanlanak nemcsak verszegeny, de nemritkan 2-3 honap mulva kiderul hogy a szerencsetlen tanart atvertek mint sz@rt a palankon, es a beigert luxusajanlatrol megerkezes utan derul ki hogy az disznoolat jelent...
Ad 5: Vegul, ami az egyetemen/foiskolan valo tanitast illeti: allando teljesidos egyetemi tanari allasra bejutni egy ITTENI Ph.D. (vagy, nagyon ritka esetekben, esetleg minimum egy ITTENI M.A.) nelkul LEHETETLEN. Meg Ph.D.-vel is 5-10 evet kuszkodnek az emberek, mire sikerul landolniuk egy egyetemen, es akkor is kontinensben es nem varosban kell az illetonek gondolkoznia...
Foiskola eseteben ez szinte megnehezebb, mert a legtobb foiskola az esti reszidos tanarallomanyat noveli inkabb, mivel azoknak a fizetesi es juttatasi nyomagja a teljesidosok pusztan 1/4-e, azaz ugyanazon es ugyanannyi munkaert pusztan a teljesidosok fizetesenek 25-30%-at kapod. Mi tobb, a legtobb foiskola nemcsak Ph.D.-t (vagy minimum M.A.-t) kovetel, hanem tobbeves kanadai szakmai tapasztalatot is azon a teruleten amihez kapcsolod tantargyat fogsz tanitani.
Termeszetesen mindenre mindig van kivetel, es amit az interneten olvasol azt soha senkitol (tolem sem!!!) szabad egy az egyben elfogadni addig amig magad szemelyesen le nem ellenorizted (minimum ugy hogy szemelyesen felkeresed a Seneca, George Brown, U of T, es York U felveteli osztalyait); de hidd el, tobb itteni (tobbek kozott tanari) diploma es tobbeves altalanos, foiskolai, es egyetemi tanari gyakorlat utan, mint dolgozo prof - nem a levegobol beszelek.
Sok szerencset!
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CSZAKID%7E1%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:HyphenationZone>21</w:HyphenationZone> <w
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Már úgy értve, hogy ez egy baromira nehéz út!
Ehhez szó szerint „sok szerencse” és borzasztó nagy erőfeszítés kell!
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Ehhez szó szerint „sok szerencse” és borzasztó nagy erőfeszítés kell!
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Az iment olvastam egy forumon.... Mi a velemenyetek ?
Q: Why does Canada welcome Immigrants?
A: Canada’s population is shrinking and getting older. Government is supposed to pay for maintaining the standard of living and health care of the old citizens. But how does the government find the money for it?
The solution:
Immigration Canada allows around 250,000 immigrants per year to enter Canada along with C$2.5 – C$ 5.0 billion of foreign reserves that these immigrants bring along with them.
Q: How does Canada find their gold mine?
A: Marketing! Advertisements! And incentives to private immigration firms. Big and small immigration firms lure the third world human commodity by giving a glossy picture of Canada such as the land of opportunities, freedom and prosperity. In the past, the slave traders lured people from African villages by telling the same story and eventually sent to slavery. The MODERN DAY SLAVE TRADE by Canada is not any different!
Q: What happens to the immigrants after they come to Canada?
A: The architects of Canada’s immigration have devised a social/government system (known as “systemic discrimination”) to “utilize” this man-power to the advantage of the host population. In this system, with a 0.9 probability, the immigrants irrespective of their skills or profession will end up working in the blue collar jobs under white management.
Q: How does the “systemic discrimination” work?
A: Some of the tools the Canadians used to keep the immigrants out of decent paying jobs are as follows:
(1) Every job other than labour jobs requires “excellent communication skills…that is your ability to speak in English with Canadian accent”. This will eliminate 99% of immigrants who have slight to thick accent.
(2) Require “Canadian work experience….”.. You can’t have Canadian experience without getting a Canadian job in the first place!
(3) The selection for majority of jobs ( > 85%) in the private sector is done through “referrals”. The referrals come from “networks”. Networks are made mostly through social gatherings. And the Canadians, unfortunately, tend to socialize with their family members and friends from their own community. As per an Asian immigrant “his community and social networks are with taxi drivers…so eventually he became a taxi driver”. Meritocracy has no place in Canadian labour market. Nepotism is the norm.
(4) Canada has laws to prevent “discrimination”. However, technically none of the above “requirements or methods” is against the law.
(5) Most professions (e.g. Engineering, medical, law) require professional registration. YOU NEED Canadian experience to get the registration. If you have no registration, you can’t be an independent practitioner in your profession.
Q: How about getting into business?
A: Those few “star” immigrants leading a decent life in Canada are into trade or service businesses primarily targeting their ethnic group market. The government is pro-white. “Government services” are one of the biggest business area where the services are delivered though private companies. And obviously the contract goes to the white-business partners of the politician in power. (Please make a Google search for the key word “Canada Sponsorship scandal” for details).
Q: How successful is the Canadian Immigration gold mine project?
A: Very successful. The marketing department (www.cic.gc.ca) is doing a very good job. The victims of this trade often do not tell their stories because of shame. And also, once you become a coloured citizen of Canada, you are pretty much stuck here.
Q: Does the media come to the rescue of the oppressed like in any democratic society?
A: NO! The mainstream news media is controlled by the white host Canadians.
Q: How do the oppressed immigrants in Canada reciprocate?
A: So far THE SILENCE of the victims is the norm. However, a brave new have spoken with websites like: www.N O T Canada.com
Q: How about the coloured politicians in Canada?
A: They are the creation of the “System” They work for the system!!
Q: What advice do you have for an aspiring Immigrant to Canada?
A: If you are educated and professional, stay away from Canada. If you are a labourer or truck driver and NOT planning to raise your children in Canada, come on and have some fun!
Az iment olvastam egy forumon.... Mi a velemenyetek ?
Q: Why does Canada welcome Immigrants?
A: Canada’s population is shrinking and getting older. Government is supposed to pay for maintaining the standard of living and health care of the old citizens. But how does the government find the money for it?
The solution:
Immigration Canada allows around 250,000 immigrants per year to enter Canada along with C$2.5 – C$ 5.0 billion of foreign reserves that these immigrants bring along with them.
Q: How does Canada find their gold mine?
A: Marketing! Advertisements! And incentives to private immigration firms. Big and small immigration firms lure the third world human commodity by giving a glossy picture of Canada such as the land of opportunities, freedom and prosperity. In the past, the slave traders lured people from African villages by telling the same story and eventually sent to slavery. The MODERN DAY SLAVE TRADE by Canada is not any different!
Q: What happens to the immigrants after they come to Canada?
A: The architects of Canada’s immigration have devised a social/government system (known as “systemic discrimination”) to “utilize” this man-power to the advantage of the host population. In this system, with a 0.9 probability, the immigrants irrespective of their skills or profession will end up working in the blue collar jobs under white management.
Q: How does the “systemic discrimination” work?
A: Some of the tools the Canadians used to keep the immigrants out of decent paying jobs are as follows:
(1) Every job other than labour jobs requires “excellent communication skills…that is your ability to speak in English with Canadian accent”. This will eliminate 99% of immigrants who have slight to thick accent.
(2) Require “Canadian work experience….”.. You can’t have Canadian experience without getting a Canadian job in the first place!
(3) The selection for majority of jobs ( > 85%) in the private sector is done through “referrals”. The referrals come from “networks”. Networks are made mostly through social gatherings. And the Canadians, unfortunately, tend to socialize with their family members and friends from their own community. As per an Asian immigrant “his community and social networks are with taxi drivers…so eventually he became a taxi driver”. Meritocracy has no place in Canadian labour market. Nepotism is the norm.
(4) Canada has laws to prevent “discrimination”. However, technically none of the above “requirements or methods” is against the law.
(5) Most professions (e.g. Engineering, medical, law) require professional registration. YOU NEED Canadian experience to get the registration. If you have no registration, you can’t be an independent practitioner in your profession.
Q: How about getting into business?
A: Those few “star” immigrants leading a decent life in Canada are into trade or service businesses primarily targeting their ethnic group market. The government is pro-white. “Government services” are one of the biggest business area where the services are delivered though private companies. And obviously the contract goes to the white-business partners of the politician in power. (Please make a Google search for the key word “Canada Sponsorship scandal” for details).
Q: How successful is the Canadian Immigration gold mine project?
A: Very successful. The marketing department (www.cic.gc.ca) is doing a very good job. The victims of this trade often do not tell their stories because of shame. And also, once you become a coloured citizen of Canada, you are pretty much stuck here.
Q: Does the media come to the rescue of the oppressed like in any democratic society?
A: NO! The mainstream news media is controlled by the white host Canadians.
Q: How do the oppressed immigrants in Canada reciprocate?
A: So far THE SILENCE of the victims is the norm. However, a brave new have spoken with websites like: www.N O T Canada.com
Q: How about the coloured politicians in Canada?
A: They are the creation of the “System” They work for the system!!
Q: What advice do you have for an aspiring Immigrant to Canada?
A: If you are educated and professional, stay away from Canada. If you are a labourer or truck driver and NOT planning to raise your children in Canada, come on and have some fun!
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026"/> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1"/> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->[FONT="]Érdeklődnék hogy felvehető e a kanadai állampolgárság olyan magyar állampolgár esetében kinek az édesapja kanadai állampolgár volt de elhunyt,valamint vannak kanadában élő közeli rokonai,féltestvér ,nagybátty,unokatestvérek.Amennyiben van rá mód milyen feltételekkel dokumentumokkal?
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Molnarcsabi
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Persze az a mernok nem igazan panaszkodhat aki "skilled worker"-kent erkezett, de ahhoz azert nem volt elegendo a nyelvtudasa hogy meg indulas elott leellenorizze, vajon dolgozhat-e itt mernokkent. Kanada ugyanis nem tul elitelheto modon nem szeretne, hogy esetleg az, aki valami erdei iskolaban vegzett es palmakotelbol keszult fuggohid tervezesbol szerzett diplomat 1.5 ev kepzes alatt a metrikus rendszerben, az itt esetleg azonnal nekialljon vasbeton hidat tervezni.
Es ez meg nagyon sok masik szakmara is igaz. Meg ha esetleg az elmelet ugyanaz is, a kulfoldrol hozott, mar beidegzodott gyakorlat es tapasztalat itt elfogadhatatlan lenne.
Egyebkent a sirankozo taxisofor vajon miert nem megy vissza oda, ahonnan jott? Talan mert itt meg mindig jobb taxisoforkent elni, mint a hazajaban mernokkent vagy orvoskent?
Es ez meg nagyon sok masik szakmara is igaz. Meg ha esetleg az elmelet ugyanaz is, a kulfoldrol hozott, mar beidegzodott gyakorlat es tapasztalat itt elfogadhatatlan lenne.
Egyebkent a sirankozo taxisofor vajon miert nem megy vissza oda, ahonnan jott? Talan mert itt meg mindig jobb taxisoforkent elni, mint a hazajaban mernokkent vagy orvoskent?
Sziasztok!
Egy kérdésem lenne. két éven belül szeretnék Kanadába költözni véglegesen. Az lenne a kérdésem, hogy mennyi esélyem van kijutni illetve munkát találni stb.
28 éves vagyok néhány éve könyvelő, a Pénzügyi és számviteli főiskolán lesz diplomám jövőre mint számviteli-közgazdász. Angolul felsőfokon beszélek jelenleg franciául tanulok.
Ha valaki tud segíteni, akkor írhat privát emailt is, a címem: [email protected]
Köszöm előre is segítséget!
Barna
Egy kérdésem lenne. két éven belül szeretnék Kanadába költözni véglegesen. Az lenne a kérdésem, hogy mennyi esélyem van kijutni illetve munkát találni stb.
28 éves vagyok néhány éve könyvelő, a Pénzügyi és számviteli főiskolán lesz diplomám jövőre mint számviteli-közgazdász. Angolul felsőfokon beszélek jelenleg franciául tanulok.
Ha valaki tud segíteni, akkor írhat privát emailt is, a címem: [email protected]
Köszöm előre is segítséget!
Barna
Molnarcsabi
Kitiltott (BANned)
Tegyuk hozza meg hogy ezek a multikulturalis emberek a legrasszistabbak, es ha elengedne kanada a gyeplot, akkor pillanatokon belul egy , az eredeti hazajukhoz hasonlo koszlott hellye varazsolnak azt a gyonyoru orszagot, ahol persze a feher embernek kuss lenne a neve. Igaz -igaz, oket csak ketkezi melosnak szabad behozni, alacsony kvalitasu munkakra.
Molnarcsabi
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Molnarcsabi
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