Death toll in Russia tops 340

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 4

Beslan, Russia — More than 340 people, including 155 children, were killed in the violence that ended a hostage standoff with militants at a southern Russian school, a prosecutor said Saturday.

President Vladimir Putin accused the attackers of trying to spark an ethnic conflict that would engulf Russia's troubled Caucasus Mountains region.

Russian Deputy Prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky told reporters that 322 victims were killed, as well as all 26 militants involved in the seizure of the school. That raised the death toll well beyond the 250 officials had previously cited

Gabizita · 2004 Szeptember 5

Ohh borzaszto... neztem tegnap is meg ma is a hirekben. Szerencsetlenek. Az egesz osszes arabot, koztuk a Csecseneket ,( bocs nem is tudom hogy kell irni, )at kene helyezni Oket egy masik BOLYGORA !!!
Peldaul a Holdra. Van jobb otletetek, melyik Bolygora lehetne ???
A Holdon sajnos meg latnunk kellene oket estenkent

Gabizita · 2004 Szeptember 5

Egy ottani halottashaz dolgozoja szerint 394 halott van .
A korhazakban azota ujabb gyermekaldozatok vannak.

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Putyin: alábecsültük a terrorveszélyt

Háromszázkilencvennégy halott a beszlani túszdrámában
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2004. szeptember 5., vasárnap 20:25

A túszdráma szerdán vette kezdetét, csecsen fegyveresek egy csoportja túszul ejtette Oroszország déli részén lévő Beszlan város iskolájában az évnyitó ünnepségre érkező gyerekeket és felnőtteket. A tornateremben, ahol a túszokat tartották, felrobbant egy bomba, a terroristák a menekülő túszokra lövöldöztek, a kommandósok közbeléptek. A hivatalos magyarázatok szerint így kezdődött pénteken, magyar idő szerint tizenegy óra után nem sokkal a 394 halálos áldozatot követelő "túszmenekítés". Az iskolában már a nyáron elkezdték a fegyverek felhalmozását. Orosz orvosok szerint a terroristák megkéselték a gyerekeket, a fiatal lányokat pedig megerőszakolták.

Kiváncsi vagyok, hogy az okosok mikor kezdik hiresztelni, hogy "nem is a Csecsenek voltak, hanem titkos Orosz összeesküdés".

csocsike · 2004 Szeptember 6

Gyonyoru :wacko:

lilli · 2004 Szeptember 6

You kill mine and I'll kill yours. That's what war is all about.
Russia kills Chechen children for a few decades, Chechens kill Russian children.. That's how wars work.

h34r:
Chechens would probably ask where your outrage was when their children were dying. Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts. If you are going to despise the people who do it ... as we should ... then despise them equally, whether they are some seemingly unfathomable terrorist group or some band of shitheads we vote into power.

The terrorists who blow up children and shoot them in the back as they try to run away are the most despicable filth imaginable. What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!
I do hope these people are caught and punished. But this doesn't excuse Russian crimes in Chechnya. Just because stories about dying girls being raped and men and boys being tortured to death are not plastered across television screens does not mean the OTHER simply ceases to exist.

Killing and killing and killing until there's no one left to resist.

I wonder if Russia is going to be a bit less keen on helping Iran with their nuclear progam given that Iran is harboring the Chechens' al Qaeda allies.

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After the nukes explode only the cockroaches will be left.

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by lilli@Sep 5 2004, 07:05 PM

What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!

Then why is this f&%^$&# idiot trying to justify it ?

lilli · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by Spanky+Sep 6 2004, 07:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spanky @ Sep 6 2004, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lilli@Sep 5 2004, 07:05 PM

What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!

Then why is this f&%^$&# idiot trying to justify it ? [/b][/quote]
Spanky, don't you think that your language is way off? Your view is heavy on name calling, very thin on facts, plus it misses the topic ...now wash your mouth out with soap and water.

Boszi · 2004 Szeptember 6

En is olyasmit akartam irni amit Lilli irt....hogy mindennek van kovetkezmenye. Ami most tortenik az egy legalabb 70 eves orosz uralom altal vegzett lassu genocide-nak a kovetkezmenye, (mert ugye az oroszok is brutalisan kegyetlen dolgokat muveltek veluk csak az nem volt felfujva a vilagnak.) Mennyire borzaszto lehet nekik is hogy mar ilyenekre is kepesek...pokolban elnek es a pokol kapujat kitarjak azoknak akik oket odakuldtek.

:evil

kis ismerteto:

http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/chechnya/chechnya.php

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chechnya/chech_rep.html

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by lilli+Sep 6 2004, 09:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lilli @ Sep 6 2004, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Spanky@Sep 6 2004, 07:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lilli

Kattints a kibontásához...

@Sep 5 2004, 07:05 PM

What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!

Kattints a kibontásához...

Then why is this f&%^$&# idiot trying to justify it ?

Spanky, don't you think that your language is way off? Your view is heavy on name calling, very thin on facts, plus it misses the topic ...now wash your mouth out with soap and water. [/b][/quote]
egy pillanat asszonyom, figyelem!
and I quote you;
"Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts."

start washing lady

And no, I don't think my language is way off. Anyone that justifies the murder of children is a f%&$*^% lunatic of the worst kind.

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by Boszi@Sep 6 2004, 09:55 AM
En is olyasmit akartam irni amit Lilli irt....hogy mindennek van kovetkezmenye. Ami most tortenik az egy legalabb 70 eves orosz uralom altal vegzett lassu genocide-nak a kovetkezmenye, (mert ugye az oroszok is brutalisan kegyetlen dolgokat muveltek veluk csak az nem volt felfujva a vilagnak.) Mennyire borzaszto lehet nekik is hogy mar ilyenekre is kepesek...pokolban elnek es a pokol kapujat kitarjak azoknak akik oket odakuldtek. :evil

kis ismerteto:

http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/chechnya/chechnya.php

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chechnya/chech_rep.html

sorry Boszi,
in my world nothing justifies the cold blooded murder of children.
no matter what kind of spin anyone puts on it.

lilli · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by Boszi@Sep 6 2004, 11:55 AM
...hogy mindennek van kovetkezmenye

Violence breeds violence ... that's the problem. Who would be surprised if a father who lost his entire family in that school attack had an urge to go and randomly kill a few Chechens? Equally, a Chechen father who lost his entire family...
As long as countries only look at self-interest, terrorism cannot be stopped.
A wild reaction to acts of terrorism is partly what terrorists desire. This tends to ensure renewal of the terrorist base. Terrorists mostly represent reasonable causes though these are naturally forgotten if their acts are excessive. The reason they tend to target civilians is that they are relatively powerless to fight against modern armies....If more respect for the rights of the people that share their culture was evidenced in the adventures of foreigners, this surely this would lessen the need of those who want to make their voices heard so desperately, to commit such awful acts.

lilli · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by Spanky+Sep 6 2004, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spanky @ Sep 6 2004, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by lilli@Sep 6 2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Spanky@Sep 6 2004, 07:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lilli

Kattints a kibontásához...

Kattints a kibontásához...

@Sep 5 2004, 07:05 PM

What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!

Kattints a kibontásához...

Then why is this f&%^$&# idiot trying to justify it ?

Kattints a kibontásához...

Spanky, don't you think that your language is way off? Your view is heavy on name calling, very thin on facts, plus it misses the topic ...now wash your mouth out with soap and water.

egy pillanat asszonyom, figyelem!
and I quote you;
"Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts."

start washing lady

And no, I don't think my language is way off. Anyone that justifies the murder of children is a f%&$*^% lunatic of the worst kind. [/b][/quote]
You are calling me f&%^$&# idiot and I wrote:
"Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts."

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by lilli+Sep 6 2004, 12:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lilli @ Sep 6 2004, 12:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Spanky@Sep 6 2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by lilli@Sep 6 2004, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Spanky@Sep 6 2004, 07:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-lilli

Kattints a kibontásához...

Kattints a kibontásához...

Kattints a kibontásához...

@Sep 5 2004, 07:05 PM

What the Checnyans did was very wrong and nothing justifies it!

Kattints a kibontásához...

Then why is this f&%^$&# idiot trying to justify it ?

Kattints a kibontásához...

Spanky, don't you think that your language is way off? Your view is heavy on name calling, very thin on facts, plus it misses the topic ...now wash your mouth out with soap and water.

Kattints a kibontásához...

egy pillanat asszonyom, figyelem!
and I quote you;
"Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts."

start washing lady

And no, I don't think my language is way off. Anyone that justifies the murder of children is a f%&$*^% lunatic of the worst kind.

You are calling me f&%^$&# idiot and I wrote:
"Endangering and killing children is not an outrage in one context and a result of bold global leadership in another ...it's a f!@#ing outrage in all contexts." [/b][/quote]
Nooooo,
I was referring to the language.
You gave me shit for it (soap and water BS), yet you your self use it.

The f&^*^%$ idiot is a person who tries to justify such an act.(act being, murder of children)

lilli · 2004 Szeptember 6

Nooooo

You did precisely that.

I'M NOT JUSTIFYING THE TERRORIST ATTACK.

Please refrain from calling me names ...you outright attacked me and have called me: this f&%^$&# idiot ....
"this" = was my post!/my thoughts and my writing...

Let's keep this friendly.

This is an interesting "analysis" of the situation in Russia.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...MNGF68K8GH1.DTL

Bloody siege may imperil Putin's presidency Russian public could blame him for attacks

fulgens · 2004 Szeptember 6

Is it possible this was the Russian version of 9/11? They will obviously use the tragedy of all those individuals killed and their families' misery to justify a no-holds-barred full out war.

I remember, on the day of 9/11 I walked into the office (there is a TV in the lobby), and I found all my colleagues crowded around the TV. As I was inquiring about the situation, one of them called out "there will be WAR!” He was rather quiet when I tried to get some clarification as to the country against which there should be such was waged. I suppose it does not really matter in extreme situations. Someone hurts you; you want to hurt someone back. Real bad.

Back to Putin. His popularity was waning lately. The Chechen war was not won, the economic situation has not improved, corruption still found left, right and center. He needs some major event to shake up the Russians, and commit them to a couple more years of putinopia. Of course, I am not saying he's done absolutely anything to trigger this tragedy. But wait and see how much he will gain from it.

Same with Bush and 9/11. There were very few people who gained from that day's sad events. Bush for sure was one of them. And his family and his industry (oil). There were some side benefits as well. A weakened Iraq cannot harm any small or "defenceless" country in its vicinity. Especially while US "liberators" are still stationed there. The heroics of those soldier killed or wounded in the war sure served good. Question is whose good?

Spanky · 2004 Szeptember 6

Originally posted by lilli@Sep 6 2004, 02:07 PM

Nooooo

Kattints a kibontásához...

You did precisely that.

I'M NOT JUSTIFYING THE TERRORIST ATTACK.

Please refrain from calling me names ...you outright attacked me and have called me: this f&%^$&# idiot ....
"this" = was my post!/my thoughts and my writing...

Let's keep this friendly.

This is an interesting "analysis" of the situation in Russia.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...MNGF68K8GH1.DTL

Bloody siege may imperil Putin's presidency Russian public could blame him for attacks

I'm sorry I called you a f****** idiot.
For some bizarre reason I thought you copied in those line you rote.

But I'm sorry, you are justifying terrorist attacks.

Pufi · 2004 Szeptember 7

Szerény véleményem szerint komoly vallásháboruk folynak és a történelmi visszakotrásban fals információkat találunk. Ugyanis ha ki kit ölt meg alapra helyezzük a vizsgálódásainkat, akkor a zsidóknak kommandókat kellen küldeni Népmetországba és az orményeknek le kellene rohanni Törökországot és a Dél Afrikai feketéknek bele kellene söpörni a hollandokat és az angolokat a tengerbe és folytathatnám egészen Japánig akinek nem Toyotát kellene küldeni Amerikába hanem atombombát.

A világ azonban egy vallási és ideológiai változáson esik át és amig a Buddhizmus alázatos mosoly terápiával hódit, addig az islám radikális fanatizmusával akar magának terepet teremteni. Az idióta nyugati politika kinálja nekik a terepet és a vallásszaBADSÁG égisze alatt vallási-diktatórikus államokat alapít. Élő példa az a szégyen, hogy most Irakban elfogtak 2 francia újságírót és erre a francia külügyminiszter körbeszaladta az arab világot, hogy fiuk, hát mi szeretünk benneteket... ne bántsatok bennünket... röhej... De akkor is itt tartunk... Franciaországban a fejkendőért harcol, míg Iránban annak is kötelező aKInem vallásos..

A csecsen gyerekek halála tragédia, de még ennél is nagyobb tragédia, ha a terroristákból szabadságharcosok válnak..

fulgens · 2004 Szeptember 7

Would you be generous enough to translate your contribution to the topic into English so that all those who do not understand your beautiful language can benefit from it. Thank you.

Boszi · 2004 Szeptember 7

Originally posted by Spanky+Sep 6 2004, 02:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spanky @ Sep 6 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Boszi@Sep 6 2004, 09:55 AM
En is olyasmit akartam irni amit Lilli irt....hogy mindennek van kovetkezmenye. Ami most tortenik az egy legalabb 70 eves orosz uralom altal vegzett lassu genocide-nak a kovetkezmenye, (mert ugye az oroszok is brutalisan kegyetlen dolgokat muveltek veluk csak az nem volt felfujva a vilagnak.) Mennyire borzaszto lehet nekik is hogy mar ilyenekre is kepesek...pokolban elnek es a pokol kapujat kitarjak azoknak akik oket odakuldtek. :evil

kis ismerteto:

http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/chechnya/chechnya.php

http://www.phrusa.org/research/chechnya/chech_rep.html

sorry Boszi,
in my world nothing justifies the cold blooded murder of children.
no matter what kind of spin anyone puts on it. [/b][/quote]
Then lets be fair and also condemn those russians who brutally tortured and slaughtered Chechnyen children, women and old folks for the past decades.

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